00:10:51 Ian: yes 00:10:51 Susan Averbach: yes - can hear 00:10:54 Bryn: yes 00:10:54 Alice Turner: yes 00:10:58 Brendan McCann: yes 00:11:09 Ken Brown: yes 00:11:15 Barry Daniel: yes 00:12:06 Barbara Mills: yes 00:25:56 Jo Bentley: yes 00:25:57 Sandra Barefoot: yes 00:27:19 Sandra Barefoot: Shape of the new piece reflects the gap left by the old piece 00:28:18 Amitasuri Yule: sandra 00:29:22 James: isn’t our dna constant ? 00:30:08 Brendan McCann: are you your dna? 00:30:40 Bryn: It’s Yes and No for me 00:30:42 Victoria Norton: Can we not say yes and no? 00:31:14 Susan Averbach: answer - yes and no 00:32:24 SUSAN's iPad: isn’t gut response pure Trump? 00:33:52 Sandra Barefoot: really key for working in prisons as this allows people to feel they have a place immediately and then comes a wealth of debate … I know from my own experience how open ended questions can be more threatening to begin with 00:37:49 Susan Averbach: Will we be signaled when to return? We didn’t get a message to that effect last time 00:53:45 SUSAN's iPad: is the experience of a victim part of the course conversation 00:54:09 Jo Bentley: The philosophy professor issue is similar to a Tory minister being a practicing Buddhist as mentioned by Vishnapani earlier today. 00:55:15 James: a philosopher might be good at gaslighting ? 00:56:01 Viryanaya: Orwell talks about a particular sort of stupidity only engaged in by intelligent people - eg supporting stalin 00:57:31 Bryn: Did you say the reoffending rate was higher after philosophy course 00:57:54 Jo Bentley: Could we take the view that we offer philosophy as we may offer mindfulness, we offer the rice bowl, its up to participants how they receive it? 00:57:55 Gus Linton: I once tried to teach simple meditation in a juvenile facility and had a meltdown. 00:58:02 Viryanaya: it was sex offenders - I don't think it was a philosophy class. 00:58:05 Barry Daniel: How would you tie your work in prisons to the Middle Way? 00:58:35 Sandra Barefoot: The key I think is the connection to philosophy in prison is connected to other courses that allow further deeply reflective dialogue … this I think is key - 00:59:12 James: I would think if philosophy in prison helps people avoid adopting absolute views then it must help 00:59:22 Sandra Barefoot: remorse and admittance is a process not afforded to many prisoners to show as first and foremost they are dealing a lot with the harm that has been done to them that needs addressing before they will be able to admit their own harm 00:59:22 ninadavies: Conditions that are “thought” based are very difficult to challenge cognitively …e.g. Obsessive compulsive disorder. Behavioural interventions work much better. 00:59:56 Brendan McCann: Many goods can be used to harm. If the program is bringing more harm than good it seems worth while 01:02:53 Gus Linton: A paradox in prison teaching is that most of the qualities one needs to grow as an individual— things like honesty, curiosity, and suspending judgement— are things that you must not do to survive in prison. 01:06:18 Barbara Mills: I think you are right, you need to tread carefully as many people are vulnerable and do have self or other supports later to balance the challenge. There is some very good work in prisons and you sound like you are making a great contribution. 01:07:48 Victoria Norton: Thanks for a Wonderful and thought provoking session 01:07:51 Gus Linton: Sutute openness for honesty.bsti 01:07:57 Barry Daniel: likewise, Andy! 01:08:01 Ian: thank you for the talk 01:08:07 Brendan McCann: well done Andy! 01:08:10 Sandra Barefoot: Great thank you Andy 01:08:11 Amitasuri Yule: Was it the frog or the scorpion? ;-) 01:08:26 Tony Vedanta Wilmot: thank you